Talking Title IX and College Sports

By Grace Collins '22, October 4, 2024
Student-run podcast breaks barriers.

Students in the Roy H. Park School of Communications aren’t strangers to assignments that give them a taste of real-world professional experience—whether they’re producing live TV broadcasts, working with community clients, or anything in between. Over the past year, sports media students enrolled in a course called Title IX and College Sports: The Next 50 Years took that mission a step further by creating a podcast that expanded to have national reach. Taught by Ellen Staurowsky '79, professor of media arts, studies, and sciences and a renowned expert on social justice issues in sports, the course was planned in recognition of the 50-year anniversary of Title IX.

Title IX, which was established under the Education Amendments Act of 1972, prohibits sex discrimination in any education program or activity receiving federal funding. Just 37 words long, the regulation has had an immense and lasting impact on collegiate athletics and programming on college campuses—a topic Staurowsky has extensively researched and written about throughout her career.

When developing the course curriculum, Staurowsky looked to national trends. She’d identified a lack of Title IX compliance in athletics and saw a need for direct communication with athletes, coaches, and parents. “My goal was to engage students in a meaningful way, through a project that they would be proud of and that would contribute to the national dialogue on an important issue related to gender equity in sports,” she said.

With this goal in mind, Staurowsky decided that a podcast would check all the boxes, giving listeners easily digestible episodes, opportunities for industry experts to join in on the conversation, and roles for students with varying interests to flex their individual sports media skill set. “I was very intentionally trying to up the ante and say to the sports media students that we can, as a community, really do something of national consequence,” Staurowsky said. “These students are magnificent. I didn’t have to sell them on it. I didn't have to pitch it to them. They just got it and were on board.”

Eyes on the Prize

The class got to work, and the Talking Title IX and College Sports podcast was born. Students spent the semester planning content, researching topics, reaching out to potential guests, conducting interviews, and recording episodes. They also created social media and marketing strategies, developed web content, and honed their audio engineering skills. It sounds like a lot of work—and it was—but for the students in the class, the podcast evolved from a classroom assignment to a true passion project.

Max Finkelstein ’23 served as an associate producer, organizing equipment and studio rentals, scheduling talent and interviews, and working with editors to ensure a high-quality output. “Though the podcast was part of my class assignments, it was much more than that for me. I was inspired by the endless opportunity and potential for this project. Coming in, we had no idea what the end result would look like. I was able to provide my input from the start, and I felt like I had a direct impact on the outcome of the project,” he said. “This project allowed me to mix my love for production and leadership with a subject area I cared greatly for

“I was very intentionally trying to up the ante and say to the sports media students that we, as a community, can really do something of national consequence.”

Ellen Staurowsky '79, professor of media arts, sciences, and studies

When it came time to produce and distribute the content, Staurowsky knew she’d need the help of an expert. She turned to the Park School’s alumni community and was connected with Gavin Berger ’20, owner of High Tops Media. Founded while Berger was a student at IC, High Tops Media is a podcast network and media production company offering young creators the outlet to produce content that matters to them.

Berger worked alongside the class to produce the episodes and navigate the distribution process, making Talking Title IX and College Sports accessible worldwide on platforms such Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts. “I feel like the goal of every professor is for your students to really learn something new,” said Berger. “I think a podcast specifically, but also a social media page, a video series, anything like that in this new world of media, is a great way for students to learn and show their skills.”

In addition to production and distribution, Berger also worked closely with students in the class to guide them through the best way to structure episodes and work with guests. “Gavin was a key collaborative partner in the distribution and development of the podcast,” Staurowsky said. “His support was crucial in ensuring the project’s success.”

And We’re Live

After months of work, the first episode of Talking Title IX and College Sports was released in May 2023. Nationally recognized guests—such as Kristen Galles, one of the nation’s most prominent Title IX litigators, and Carole Oglesby and Deborah Larkin, activists who fought for the passing of Title IX in the 1970s—joined the podcast to share their stories and perspectives on achieving gender equity in collegiate sports.

Episode Guide

Episodes in season one included the following:

  • Title IX from a Plaintiff’s Perspective: A Conversation with Robin Lamott Sparks
  • The Myth of Title IX Cutting Men’s Sports
  • A Conversation about Trans Inclusion in Sport in Title IX’s 50th Anniversary Year

Each episode was hosted by a different student, and everyone got the chance to guide discussions and connect with the industry’s leading voices. Arla Davis ’23, a sports media major and member of the IC field hockey and track and field teams, cohosted the first episode and interviewed Oglesby and Larkin. “It’s honestly difficult to put into words how special this opportunity was to me. To work so closely with Dr. Staurowsky—who is one of the most influential role models in my life—on a project about something we both care deeply about meant so much to me,” Davis said. “I had the chance to interview Deborah Larkin and Dr. Carole Oglesby, who both played critical roles in growing girls’ and women’s sport since the passage of Title IX, and I felt absolutely overwhelmed with gratitude afterwards when I began to truly think about the impact these two made, not only in my life but in the lives of millions of girls and women like me.”

Leaving a Legacy

Following positive feedback from students and listeners alike, Staurowsky began planning for season two of Talking Title IX and College Sports. “I feel so proud of what this class took on, and their willingness to take it on. It was no easy task to organize the logistics of 30 students and 24 different speakers from all around the country, but they did a wonderful job,” she said.

Tune In for Yourself

Seasons one and two of Talking Title IX and College Sports are available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts, and wherever you listen to your podcasts. 

Follow along and get updates on Instagram at @talkingtitleix_ic.

Members of the class also spoke of their appreciation for Staurowsky and the lessons they’ll carry with them into their careers. “It meant so much to be a member of the original Talking Title IX production team,” said Finkelstein. “Along with my coproducers, I know we were all proud to have been able to work alongside Dr. S and learn directly from her. I have already applied some of what I have learned through this to my career and will continue to do so as I work in college athletics.”

In fall 2023, the podcast returned for a second season, led by student interns who collaborated closely with Staurowsky and received academic credit for their work. Listeners who tuned in for season two also heard a familiar voice when Davis returned to the podcast—this time as a guest. In an episode titled “The Demand IX Campaign: Empowering the Next Generation of Title IX Advocates,” Davis, who previously worked as an intern for Demand IX, shared her story of championing fellow athletes to advocate for equity in college sports.

“I hope listeners learn just how many opportunities Title IX provides for them, not only in athletics but in education as a whole. I also hope men and nonbinary folks take away just as many lessons as women do from this podcast because Title IX was created to provide equal opportunities for all without sex discrimination, not just women,” Davis said. “Title IX is for everyone.”